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America's
Government Decapitated in Inauguration Day Attack: "Designated
Survivor" Becomes New President
We continue to
see shows and movies set around plots having to do with a U.S. collapse or an
all out Armageddon disaster.
It's a continuing theme
making its way into scripts and movies. Why are these shows a hit? Because,
more and more, people are concerned about events in the world and just about
anyone with an ear to what's happening realizes that dark storm clouds are building
on America's horizon each year that passes, and the dangers only increase. And
it's not just America in danger. U.S. allies have just as much to fear, maybe
even more so.
U.S. allies have a lot to lose if U.S. government collapses
Why? Because if
America goes down, each U.S. ally is now on their own, most with a lot closer
proximity to enemies who have the power to destroy and invade. The U.K. is in
close proximity to Russia, and so is Canada (just over the Arctic Circle).
Japan, South Korea, Australia
and even New Zealand are in close proximity to China, and especially China's
navy.
If you've been paying
attention, both Russia's and China's military build up in recent years has made
them a threat to U.S. and allied interests around the world.
Growing threat of doomsday events
We may truly
see a doomsday event or series of events in our lifetime. Some live as though
it's only a few months away.
What to do to prepare?
Knowing that
disastrous events can suddenly take place on just your average day of the week,
with ferocity and violence and a large loss of human life, living with that
understanding may be what helps you be properly prepared and more able to cope
mentally (and spiritually for our Christian readers) when sudden disaster
strikes.
The next 9-1-1... The next
Pearl Harbor.
An American Nagasaki. An
American Hiroshima (a term in fact that Bin Laden coined when reportedly
seeking nuclear weapons at one point in the past).
Ground Zero
Do you live in
or near an area that could be a "Ground Zero" for the first attack or
series of attacks? You've got even more to be concerned about.
U.S. Capitol Building turned into a smoking crater -
everyone's dead
Maybe it's an attack
on the U.S. capitol that takes our President, Vice President, Secretary of
State, Attorney General and right on down the list of people in line for the
presidency .... until there's no one left alive on that list -- including a
"Designated Survivor." An intelligent and thorough attack may take
out him or her as well. Immediate chaos would ensue as state governments in all
50 states would be left presumably on their own, with some stepping forward to
declare that their state was now its own nation (of which Texas might be the
first to make that declaration; I wouldn't be surprised).
American Civil Wars
Several states
could end up in all out Civil War as a decapitation of the U.S. government
would mean an immediate need for leadership, and an immediate crisis and
potentially governors vying for power over each other, backed by state police
and national guard and possibly even Army, Navy, Marine, and Air Force bases in
specific states.
States with large military
forces (the largest bases with the biggest armories) may have military generals
vying for power over state governors, declaring martial law, creating an
immediate military-police state.
Could we really be attacked on Inauguration Day?
Could we lose everyone in line for the Presidency?
Could it happen
right when our next president, Trump in this case, is giving his first speech
to the nation as president?
That is one event with some
of the highest levels of security and so I think it more likely that an
attacking enemy who's goal is to decapitate the U.S. government would be more
likely to strike at our leaders in separate attacks, on a different day, on a
day we are more likely to be less prepared for it, and not expecting it.
Military hackers have created opportunities to destroy the
government
The U.S.
government is in an all out cyber war, with attacks from foreign hackers taking
place on a daily basis. Hackers create the opportunity to spy and intercept
communications at every level of government (we already know the supposed ease
that a hacker event could take down the power grid), and this creates a danger
to the U.S. where communication intercepts can now be used to determine where,
when, and how multiple simultaneous attacks could take place that kill just
about everyone in line for the presidency.
China is more dangerous than Russia for hacker event
In my opinion,
China has the skills and weapons to be the most dangerous nation. Russia, may
be a bit more sloppy than China. Wasn't it several Russian spies that were
caught operating in Washington D.C. in recent years? We never hear about
Chinese spies being rounded up; China may just be better at it; though we do
hear about high level hacks coming from Chinese military installations or
buildings in China suspected to house Chinese military.
Whether you're a friend of
China or not, you have to admit that when their military is accused of hacking
U.S. defense systems on multiple occasions, this makes China a U.S. enemy, and
a dangerous enemy at that.
Deception and communication intercepts
Intercepting
communications is a highly effective way to destroy your enemy; with a
government well versed in Sun Tzu's The Art of War, a famous book from ancient
Chinese literature, we can expect that tactic, and even more tactics
(especially "deception") China would employ if they were to one day
go from just cyber attacks to an all out actual attack on the U.S. government.
Communication intercepts create dangerous opportunities for
our enemies
With enough
information, and with enough people and weapons in place prior to simultaneous
attacks, the President, Vice-President, and right on down the list could each
be killed. Would they use assassins? Probably not. Too many things could go
wrong and using assassins and snipers and others would be too much of a gamble;
wouldn't work in some locations. You might get one U.S. leader. You might get a
couple. But you probably wouldn't get all of them.
Short range missiles armed with small nukes are a better
choice
I believe it's
more likely that short range missiles launched from U.S. homes, U.S. trucks,
and even U.S. apartments are more likely to be used, because of the ease and
proximity each of these locations offers.
For example, let's say I
want to take out the White House. So, I purchase a home within a short distance
of the White House, and then over the next several months, working with my
government, have pieces from a missile system delivered and then, working with
a small team of weapons engineers, proceed to assemble it, on the upstairs
floor of my home, where I have a window that looks in the direction of the
White House.
The day prior to the
attack, my government delivers a nuclear warhead, as small as they come,
disguised within a crate that a "furniture company" delivers. To any
passersby, it looks like I'm having furniture delivered. Immediately the nuke
goes on to the warhead (as rehearsed), and within the hour, at exactly 9am when
the President is most likely to be in the White House, the missile is launched
and 5 seconds later strikes it's target. The White House is gone.
Simultaneous attacks in
several other cities, launched from trucks, or from buildings, or office spaces
and penthouses high over the city, decapitate the U.S. government.
RIP
United States of America: 1776 - 2019
They were
already here ... that will be the epitaph written on America's
gravestone.
American Armageddon
Survival Supplies for Short Term and Extended Disasters
Learn the "3 Levels" of Supplies for short range,
mid range, and extended range disasters.
Some of our regular readers
may find the next few paragraphs a bit repetitive; we've said it before, though
we do add a few more key details today.
These next paragraphs are
for new readers and recent newsletter subscribers; maybe someone you know sent
you this article or you found us on a Google search. You're concerned about
disaster striking the U.S., even a possible government collapse, or maybe an
EMP attack, and now you just want to make sure you and your family can live
through the social chaos that is likely to result in just the first few days
and weeks.
Experts say most of the population will die in the first
year
It's said that
most Americans will die within the first year following an EMP; there is just
so much dependence on food retailers, interstate transport, and hospitals and
other resources and most people are simply not prepared for the aftermath of an
EMP event.
America's enemies know this
to. They've done their own data studies. Or they're just listening to what our
own experts are warning about the aftermath of an EMP.
Which puts the threat of
EMP high, and I mean high, on the list of probable
weapons a rogue nation or terrorist group or other enemy could one day attack
us with.
Level 1 Supplies
Short Range Disasters
Level 1 Supplies are important items that you will have an
immediate need for:
1) Emergency
drinking water (you better have it)
2) Portable generator for residential use. If you're not comfortable operating a generator, ask yourself why
not? Modern, portable generators aren't difficult to operate! I'm not advising
on industrial size generators; just those for personal residential use. If you are
married to the idea of candles and flashlights for disaster readiness, well,
that is your choice.
There are several reasons
to consider a generator for low watt devices. Having a backup source of
electricity opens the doors to communications and ongoing access to news --
both highly effective survival tools for a government collapse.
Pros of having electricity
If you're ready
to go completely without news and give up communications with the outside
world, then you don't need electricity. You don't need a backup power supply.
But seriously think about the advantages you gain by having backup power.
It's important to get news
of events nationwide and even within your state or other outlying towns. It's
also important to have a way to recharge two way radios, rechargeable batteries
for things like lanterns, etc.
A word on generators
Many large
cities in third world countries are lined with shops that are powered by small
generators. Walking down a narrow street and busy marketplace, in some cities
you're likely to see dozens or even hundreds of these portable generators
everywhere you look, scattered across the city in fact. Many of these
generators are older models, they're really loud and probably not as energy
efficient as more modern models have become. In other words, a shop owner
invests in a generator, and then uses it to supply electricity to his or her shop.
Fuel is purchased from local suppliers.
In Western nations we have
access to better generators, that are much quieter, and come with several other
advantages over those generators used in third world countries. The Yamaha EF1000iS is one of these quieter
models, and also made for running low watt devices. Louder, higher watt
generators are not necessary for most people, unless you have a specific need
to run high watt devices (you'll just need more fuel). Even so, the Honda EU2000I offers higher watt output
than the Yamaha yet is still "quieter" than many other generators on
the market.
Reasons to go for a quieter model
Following a
disaster, it may not be safe in some regions to run a generator, if there are
possible looters and crooks in the area looking for things to steal. The reason
is this: If we lose electricity, generators will be a sought after item by
crooks. So, the quieter models are recommended.
When in operation, they
still make low level noise though; consider building a large box around your
generator, and using various materials to reduce the noise even more. Just be
sure that you have enough airflow through your box (give your "sound
box" a generous amount of heighth and width with lots of space so your
generator doesn't overheat from use). Also make sure that box is vented at the
top and bottom to allow for airflow and all fumes can dissipate. Consider building
additional "DIY" walls around your box to reduce noise levels even
more, even draping thick blankets from rope, even building dirt walls, etc.
Basically, every layer of material that you use (even snow, in the winter
months) helps reduce sound waves from reaching anyone's ears off in the
distance.
3) Fuel storage for your generator. Fuel storage can be as simple as several 5 gallon cans of
gasoline stored in a safe place, if gasoline is what your generator runs on;
note, gasoline has a short storage life, approximately three months, and then
it can degrade drastically from there so that your generator doesn't start when
you need it to; so prior to a government collapse or disastrous event, every 90
days put that fuel to use by pouring it into your vehicle(s), and then go and
refill your portable fuel containers so you always have a fresh supply on hand
capable of carrying you through the first 90 days of a loss of power.
4) 12 Volt Deep Cycle Marine Batteries - Wiring a battery bank will allow you to run your generator
during the day, to charge your battery bank, and then run your low watt devices
(or recharge your cordless power tools) directly from the battery bank, rather
than the generator.
If you are uncomfortable
working with battery cables, and battery terminals, I recommend calling a local
RV repair shop (they commonly install small battery banks on RVs so that owners
have a backup source of power for their electronics on campouts and road
trips). See if the RV repair shop is willing to build you a battery bank for
your home for an "extended loss of power" (which is all you have to
tell the shop as to what your purposes are). If you want to shop around, also
consider calling a solar panel shop; let them know you don't want expensive panels,
you just need a battery bank, and see what kind of price they offer.
5) Emergency Radio (low watt)
6) Small Television (low watt, low power usage
setting if you have that option) for accessing news (if you have a satellite
service provider)
7) Computer or laptop (low watt and set on
low-power usage setting) for accessing news and connecting with family (as long
as you have a satellite service provider, you may still be able to get an
internet signal for the first few hours, which is coming from a satellite in space)
What if we're attacked by an EMP?
If we lose the
power grid, we also lose all news, unless we have a way to pick up
international news or even news from Canada or Mexico, if stations in these
countries are still broadcasting (that will depend on your proximity to either
country and distance from the effects of the EMP.)
8) EMP protection including "DIY" Faraday cages or other materials you're using to shield stored electronics from
the effects of EMP, as an EMP may be used as a follow up attack or simultaneous
attack following the event that decapitates our government and causes a
collapse; engineers and others have published books like Disaster Preparedness for EMP for all the lay folk and other non-engineers out there;
thankfully there's a science to EMP protection, following easy to understand
steps that are not hard to apply to our home and electronics.
9) Emergency lighting
If you don't have a battery
bank and generator, you're going to have to have a large supply of D, C, AA,
etc. batteries to power your lanterns, flashlights, etc. There's always those
hand crank and solar models as well; but hard to say how much they can be
counted on.
There's also the kerosene
route, and kerosene lamps, with all it's dangers, and that's only recommended
for people truly capable of using kerosene lanterns in a safe manner (not
recommended if you have children around; one small bump could start a large
fire).
If you do have a generator
and battery bank, now you can start looking at things like drop lights, commonly used by
automotive mechanics; these are really handy to have as a "drop
light" is just a light bulb in a protective cage that is connected
directly to it's own extension chord.
If you use a low-watt
fluorescent bulb, you'll still get plenty of light yet draw less watts from
your battery bank than standard 60-75 watt bulbs.
10) Self defense measures (like
'em or hate 'em, firearms have stopped countless numbers of murders over the
years; as I write this, just today an armed policeman took down a psychopath on
a stabbing spree at Ohio State University; the fact is, sometimes good
samaritans have to use lethal force to protect innocents from being murdered by
deranged killers)
11) Automatic motion lights for
night time security (solar powered and or battery backup)
12) Property Fence (something you should
already be thinking about if installing a security fence is an option around
your home)
13) Bars on Windows (there's a reason most
inner city neighborhoods and even suburbs in outlying areas have homes with
bars over windows -- and external steel security doors -- they help reduce the
chance of break-in).
14) Security Doors (just mentioned)
15) CB /
Marine-Band Radio (if you live near the coast, marine band radio gives you
more access to local communications; away from the water, it is illegal to use
marine band radio; keep that in mind)
16) High Powered Binoculars
(don't hesitate to climb on top of your home for a vantage point; with high
powered binoculars, you can study the horizon and outlying areas beyond your
town or city, that is as long as you have visibility; if no visibility, you may
need to travel a few blocks away to find some other kind of high point). We've
advised on binoculars in other articles, pointing out that high powered binocs
can cost $1000 - $2000. Outdoor Life recommends the Alpen
Apex XP 8x42 due to it's much lower cost ($350) but still high powered optics.
Nowadays, Alpen Apex has brought down prices even more with the Alpen Ridge series ($170).
17) Propane supply and a small camp stove which uses less propane
than larger models (enabling you to make your propane last longer) for
cooking; if you have the capacity to store firewood and have an axe, hatchet,
etc, to break into small sticks, you can cook in a backyard fire pit; though
it's better to use a Solo Stove, which uses a lot less
wood, enabling your wood supply to last several months (rather than just
several days).
18) Plywood, 2x4s, nails, handsaw, and cordless power tools, with extra battery packs kept charged (think like a professional
contractor; brands like Dewalt and Milwaukee sell bundled sets of power tools nowadays compared to the more expensive route of purchasing sets
piece by piece). Now you're able to cut wood, drill, and take on any number of
immediate repair needs, including reinforcing your own doors from break-ins and
putting up plywood over windows to protect from rocks, etc.
Realize that in a land
without police, looters or just vandals may try anything to get inside your
home. While it's helpful to work with your neighbors to form a neighborhood
watch, it doesn't guarantee complete safety. Having the ability to reinforce
doors and windows is likely to be an essential step for most people following a
government collapse.
Adequate respiratory protection
A nuclear
attack or attack from a bio-chemical weapon that unleashes a dangerous gas or
bacteria or virus can make certain areas dangerous to be near, and news allows
you to make plans for immediate evacuation or to shelter in place with a chemical protective gas mask if or when it
is called for.
Several sources in disaster
readiness recommend a simple mask for dust; but really, in this day and age,
having a much better mask (that also protects your eyes) for a few dollars more
rated for a nuclear or chemical emergency is a smarter way to go than just a
dust mask. At some point you're going to have to venture outside and if you're
in a region that has been attacked you will want the protection.
Nuclear, chemical and biological emergencies are not science
fiction
In this day and
age, both nuclear and bio-chemical weapons pose the greatest danger in an
attack; both are likely to be used and both are weapons being sought after by
terrorist groups and the rogue governments that support them. Like Iran. Like
North Korea. We need to realize the consequences of their pursuits. It's not
science fiction.
Finally, both Russia and
China have large stocks of nuclear and bio-chemical weapons. If these nations
ever attack us, we could easily see the full effects of a massive first strike,
making several areas dangerous to live and breath without specialized equipment
to protect you from the air you breathe. Sheltering in place for the first few
days will allow the heaviest fallout from radiation to settle from the air and
or toxic gases to dissipate into the atmosphere.
Know the specifics
You can get
specifics from this book, U.S. Armed Forces Nuclear, Biological And Chemical Survival
Manual (it's too much to cover here).
Finally, when it is safe to
emerge (having access to regional news can be a great help in this regard, so
that you know when it actually is safe), you may be advised to put on your
chemical protective gas mask, not drink from local water supplies (tap, lakes
or rivers that have been contaminated by nuclear fallout or other dangers in
the air), and finally you may be advised to evacuate to designated areas where
relief efforts and "sanctuary cities" are being established.
Be careful though -- anyone could be broadcasting news --
and it may not be safe at all
Just a warning:
Anyone could be broadcasting that news, including our enemies who may possibly
have a plan to deceive survivors on a large scale into seeking relief efforts;
as survivors start showing up for food and water and medical supplies, our
enemies could have a plan to funnel them right into concentration camps (or
worse).
It is a horrible idea to
consider, yet it is something that could be part of any plans for attacking and
invading the United States, following a collapse of government.
It gets worse
What if our
enemies are dressed like American soldiers? What if they're dressed like the
Red Cross or Salvation Army? ... It is the stuff of nightmares of course; but
anything is possible in a U.S. collapse, especially knowing just how smart our
enemies are, how much many of them can blend in with Americans and may already
be here, and just how much time they have had to put into planning for a future
attack and occupation. There are a lot of Russians already here. There are a
lot of Chinese. You get the picture.
In all reality, it might be
a bad idea to let news broadcasts tempt you into seeking food and water from regional
relief efforts.
In that case, you better
have that food and water already stored up beforehand.
Level 2 Supplies
Mid Range Disasters
Level 2 Supplies (Time without power or services: 1 week -
30 days)
1) Emergency
food (after 1 week's time you'll likely have eaten everything in your
refrigerator, freezer (as it thaws) and pantry. Now you'll need to turn to your
supplies of emergency food (which we've discussed in depth in multiple other
articles on our website).
2) Backup fuel supply for generator
3) Backup supply of emergency drinking water (500 gallons for 2 - 3 months of use for drinking, cooking, light
cleaning)
4) Battery Bank that can power an inverter (in an extended loss of power, that battery bank is really going
to be something you're going to want around).
5) Energy efficient emergency low-watt lights, including
solar powered (they charge during the day, as long as there is sunshine,
and provide lighting at night)
6) Solar powered battery charger for D size, C size, AA size, AAA size batteries, for various
lanterns, headlamps, flashlights that use rechargeable batteries.
7) Portable solar panel (have it wired to your battery bank of marine deep cycle
batteries; you want deep cycle because they can be depleted to zero power and
then fully recharged repeatedly without going bad, unlike most car and truck
batteries). This solar panel kit comes with it's own battery -- but it's still
a good idea to have your own deep cycle batteries and way to charge from a
generator, pedal power bike crank, etc., both mentioned earlier.
Based on product specs, a
solar panel this size should come close to fully charging a 100 amp hour
battery when left in the sun all day to charge; that's a lot juice for that
evening's use of low watt devices when used sparingly throughout the day (once
you've tested it out and know how it works, consider 3 or 4 more of these solar
panel kits over the coming months to add to your plans for emergency
electricity following a government collapse or EMP event.)
8) Bicycle generator (this
is a pedal powered generator, not a stationary bike, and a device that can be
used in an off grid scenario to recharge deep cycle batteries; like those hand
crank emergency lights and radios, you just have to pedal; as you pedal, small
amounts of power are generated for charging your battery bank.)
9) Two Way Radios
(you're advised to share several two way radios with friends and contacts you
make in the neighborhood and beyond, especially those on the outskirts of town
or as far out as you're able to venture, following a disaster). In a major
disaster, it's common for neighbors to spend time outside, getting to know
their other neighbors. Use this as an opportunity to befriend people and make a
few new friends that seem to have their wits together; include outlying areas
around your neighborhood because those neighbors are your first opportunities
for a warning that trouble is approaching.
With each friend that you
make, and with each two way radio you are able to provide (if they don't have
their own already), explain that if you all have a two way radio, and are all
tuned into the same private channel, each of you can alert others in the neighborhood
to approaching threats or other important happenings.
10) Emergency whistles (pass these out around the
neighborhood and region as well; they can be used to alert other neighbors of
approaching threats or as a signal for a meeting or even to evacuate). For
example, a repeating series of 2 whistle soundings could be a signal to your
neighbors that looters are approaching or actively robbing homes. A series of 3
whistle soundings could be a signal for immediate evacuation to a distant
pre-arranged meeting place due to a military threat, armed gang, etc., that it
would be too dangerous to face off with.
Level 3 Supplies
Extended Range Disasters
Level 3 Supplies (Time without power or services: 30 days -
12 months)
1) Mountain
Bike (or other alternative transportation, which may be a horse for
some and dirt bike or "dual sport" for others). Don't count on a
mountain bike for long distance travel though -- it may not be safe outside
your immediate region -- not unless you're an experienced rider and can access
remote trails; locally, a mountain bike is a good tool for helping you get
around your neighborhood quickly and also get to know neighbors in outlying
areas.
2) Siphon kit (after running out of
fuel, you're going to need a way to resupply it, and that may mean scavenging
outlying areas for fuel; abandoned vehicles will be a great place to find fuel;
but you'll need a siphon kit; unless you like the taste of fuel, a siphon kit
is a safer and better way to go.)
3) Extra batteries, D, C, AA, AAA (having a
few "hand crank" and solar powered lanterns and lights is a smart way
to go, but also having battery powered lanterns and lights is strongly
encouraged; what if that hand crank breaks? What if you're hiding out deep in a
basement somewhere and have no way to recharge a solar powered unit? You'll
want good quality battery powered units as back up, and then a lot of batteries
(stored in a cool place) as well.
4) Emergency Candles (a
large supply of emergency candles is also encouraged; consider turning to these
after your battery supply has been used up; another tactic is to use emergency
candles in coordination with your battery powered flashlights and lanterns, so
that you extend the lifetime of both)
5) Backup solar powered lights (in case the first set you have been using eventually stops
working; the longer you spend using equipment in an extended disaster, the more
that you may see equipment malfunction at some point; having a backup of all
essential gear is recommended.)
6) Vegetable oil, kevlar wicks (for making simple oil burning torches; we have an article on
making primitive torches elsewhere on our site; look under "Sections"
at the bottom of the site.)
7) Fishing supplies
8) Crabbing supplies (if you live near the
coast)
9) Hunting and trapping supplies (if you're capable of light hunting)
10) Supplies for food preservation (preserving your catch for long term storage; important if you
want to make it through the next winter)
11) Farming supplies and a bit of know-how
A word on farming
Keep in mind
that America is dotted with farms; some of these are large scale commercial
installations which will not be unable to operate following a loss of the power
grid; if you live near one of these installations, following a collapse attempt
to barter with the owners, offering to take a number of livestock off their
hands; a number of farmers may take you up on some kind of trade, especially if
they no longer have employees to work their lands or transportation to ship
animals to market; most will be stuck with a surplus of livestock or even any
number of foods from a recent harvest they are not prepared to handle.
American pioneers back from the pages
of history
With the right
bartering, and a bit of property and some stored feed (food for your
livestock), you may land yourself a milking cow, several goats, a bull, several
hogs, and the list goes on.
Better know a few things
about raising livestock before hand. It's not as easy as it may seem. But once
you have the fundamentals down and are comfortable being up close and personal
with your animals, it can become a way of life, and help keep you and your
family fed and living well out in the countryside or distant wilderness, if you
and your animals are forced to make the pilgrimage one day.
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http://www.bonanza.com/listings/Guide-to-Home-Defense-Arm-Up-System-Defense-W-out-Regulation-Bonuses/370808566
PM’s Guide to Home Defense
It is a crazy world out there with plenty of violence and everyone knows you that under most circumstances, police usually arrive after the fact. Your rights to defend yourself are often under attack, even for non-lethal self-defense tools…Includes 2 books and 3 bonus CD ROMS
http://www.bonanza.com/listings/Guide-to-Home-Defense-Arm-Up-System-Defense-W-out-Regulation-Bonuses/370808566
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Wow, wow, and wow-just a ton of great information and the free resources are tremendous. Thank you!
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